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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Tue May 12, 2026 1:31 pm
by Brother Don Burney
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Today, as I write this article found below, this day of May 12th, 2026... Yes, this very day, to the Jewish People of our time, is considered the 40th Day of the Omer Count ... exactly 10 days before the Jewish Observance of Pentecost and the actual day that yes, Jesus ascended to Heaven, after spending 40 days on earth, after his spirit resurrection and 40 days ... after ... after being declared by Jehovah God, "A [Permanent] Son" before the Heavenly Host of Angels [See: Acts 1:3; Romans 1:4]
See full article which covers this topic in detail ... here: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751
See full-color blog which covers this very topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/horeb.htm
See Link To Chatroom covering this topic ... here: https://copilot.microsoft.com/conversat ... PQXxwSBk8J
In fact, the word "Horeb" can actually mean ... you guessed it ... "wilderness." Interesting fact, huh.
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:03 am
by Kingston Trey
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See link to full-color blog covering this very same topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/3rdHeaven.htm
In mankind's great quest for Bible Truth, Knowledge and Understanding, we are fortunate to find the words of our Grand Creator who gives this incredible invite for us:
"Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you GREAT AND HIDDEN THINGS that you have not known. "
-- Jeremiah 33:3 English Standard Version.
Yes, "great and incomprehensible things," [NWT] all told in the "time of the end." Things that were "not known" to us before. Yes, "great things" like the identity of the "Small Horn" and "King of the North" of bible prophecy, and the “Scapegoat” teaching of Leviticus 16:10. (Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 11:40, 41) Also, "incomprehensible things" like an explanation of the Magnificent "Glory of Jehovah," so often spoken of in the book of Isaiah, and how Jehovah chooses to use the small nation of Jamaica in His Glorious Purposes. (Isaiah 40:5; Isaiah 66:18, 19; Zephaniah 3:9, 10) Indeed, all of the "Sacred Secrets" of God was foretold to come to fulfillment and be explained fully, in the "time of the end." -- Daniel 12:4; Habakkuk 2:2, 3; John 16:13; Revelation 10:7
Then, we notice in verse 6 of the same chapter of Jeremiah, Jehovah states He is going to surely "reveal an abundance of peace and truth" during this special time of enlightenment. -- Jeremiah 33:6 New American Standard Bible.
All of this of course, suggests to us these hidden, great “truths” we speak of, are really “incomprehensible things” that were "not known" or revealed to mankind prior to the advent of the "last days" or "time of the end." The bible says this would be true. For instance, let's consider Isaiah 42:16:
“And I will lead the blind in a way that they do not know, in paths that they have not known I will guide them. I will turn the darkness before them into light, the rough places into level ground. These are the things I do, and I do not forsake them. ” -- Isaiah 42:16 English Standard Version.
Also, let's consider Isaiah 48:6:
“You have heard; now see all this; and will you not declare it? From this time forth I announce to you new things, hidden things [AKA, the "Apocrypha"] that you have not known. ” -- Isaiah 48:6 English Standard Version.
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Sat May 16, 2026 3:44 pm
by Kingston Trey
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See full-color blog covering this very same topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/mistake.html
Part 2 of this article continued at this link ... shown here: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtop ... 6403#p6403
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Mon May 18, 2026 6:34 pm
by Savanna-La-Mar
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This video was released 8 days ago by The C.O. Visit on YouTube.
Here is the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqIr4NTMvk
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Thu May 21, 2026 11:40 pm
by Jamaica Rain
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This video was released 9 hours ago by EXJW Analyzer on YouTube.
Here is the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atjQAeUi9Ao
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Sat May 23, 2026 7:17 pm
by Brother Don Burney
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What The Grand Kingdom of Daniel 7:11-14;
Daniel 7:18, 22 & 27 Is All About ... Actually!
(Daniel 7:11-14; Daniel 7:18, 22 & 27; Revelation 11:15-19)
Daniel 7:11-12 clearly shows the [wicked] human governments of this earth [Rev 12:9] their actual power of rulership, ... yes, was "taken away" By Jehovah God The Almighty ... which automatically means in God's Eyes, they [Governments around the world] can no longer ... no longer ... "rule" the earth with God's Permission...Now, they have been "judged" ... completely ... totally as miserably inadequate and [wickedly] incompetent... and, deemed as surely worthy of destruction...if ... if ... they resist God's Decision and Choice of a New World Ruler. Mercifully, Almighty God has given a small [window or] amount of time to make up their minds to accept or reject God's New Ruler (Vs. 13-14] namely "a time and a season" .... Yes, they can decide to accept or reject God's Righteous Choice [Psalm 2; Jeremiah 23:5-6] for a New "Righteous" "Davidic Heir" Ruler [Micah 5:4; Zech 8:20-23; Zech 10:4] ... Yes, God's Chosen and "Lambkin" [Arnion] Ruler and "Live Goat" / "Scapegoat" Ruler [Lev 16:10; Rev 14:1-5] "Last Adam" [1st Corinthians 15:45] Replacement Patriarchal Head as The "Modern Day Servant" of Isaiah 49:1-9 ... Yes, God's New "Davidic Heir" Ruler, in fulfillment of Genesis 3:15...Adamic & Eve ..."Seed.." -- See Psalm 45:16-17; Psalm 89:27; Isaiah 9:6-7; 2nd Samuel 7:11-14; Luke 1:32-33.
See Full Discussion of the topic "Lamb/Lambkin" In The Book of Revelation ... link here: https://www.yorww.com/lambkin.htm
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 12:51 pm
by Jamaica Rain
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Jehovah's Witnesses have a long history of predicting the End of the World...
This video was released 5 hours ago by Exiles & Pilgrims on YouTube.
Here is the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO-6gtj_p7o
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 3:25 pm
by Brother Don Burney
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See link to YORWW Congregation Disclosing The Identity of The Mysterious Ferocious "4th Beast" of Daniel 7:7-8 ... here: viewtopic.php?t=710
589,394 views Video Premiered Jun 5, 2026 #worldnews #timesnowworld #breakingnews
Watch the full, high-stakes Joint Security Council Media Stakeout featuring Riyad Mansour (Permanent Observer of Palestine to the UN) and Abdulaziz M. Alwasil (Permanent Representative of Saudi Arabia) representing the Arab and OIC groups. In a rare moment of unified diplomatic urgency, representatives from the State of Palestine, the Arab Group, and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) have confronted the UN Security Council.
The joint briefing warns that the ongoing regional conflicts are being used as cover to implement decisive, irreversible changes on the ground, including the controversial 'E1 Plan' in the West Bank and expanding military control in Gaza. The briefing heavily cites UN Security Council Resolution 2803, Resolution 2334, and recent International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory opinions to demand immediate international accountability and "meaningful consequences".
THE 64-NATION DIPLOMATIC ALIGNMENT EXPLAINED:
Behind this singular podium stands a massive, cross-regional global coalition representing more than a third of the United Nations' entire membership:The 57-Member Arab & OIC Bloc: The briefing was formally delivered on behalf of the State of Palestine, the 22 sovereign nations of the Arab Group, and the overarching 57 member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). 7 Security Council Cross-Endorsements: In a unique diplomatic shift, this Arab-OIC initiative was formally backed and endorsed by 7 critical powers currently on the UN Security Council—including China, Russia, and 5 European council members. Together, these 64 aligned nations are moving in lockstep to demand that the Security Council transition from verbal condemnation to enforceable international consequences.
0:00 - Introduction: Deteriorating Situation in Palestine
01:15 - The Dangerous 'E1 Plan' Explained
02:40 - Gaza Territorial Expansion & UNRWA Compound Seizure
04:10 - Saudi Arabia / Arab Group Joint Statement
06:15 - OIC Statement on Al-Aqsa Status Quo
07:45 - Q&A: Will the US Veto Stop the Security Council?
09:30 - Mansour Invokes Trump's Stance on Annexation
This vital video was released 2 days ago by Times Now World on YouTube.
See link to this vital, informative video ... here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-sC_p-zc_c
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 11:53 am
by Kingston Trey
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See link to original article written back in 2005 on LivingWatersForum.com] ... here: https://livingwatersforum.com/phpBB3/vi ... p=779#p779
IDENTIFYING THE "BREAKER" OR MODERN-DAY "CYRUS" OF OUR TIME!
(Micah 2:12-13; Isaiah 66:6)
The striking bible prophecy of Micah 2:12-13 says,
The one making a breakthrough will certainly come up before them: they will actually break through. And they will pass through a gate, and they will go out by it. And their king will pass through before them, with Jehovah at the head of them."
After reading this fascinating bible prophecy itself, some zealous students of holy scripture have pondered what the true identity of this person who is called the "breaker" would be. They have wondered:
...Is the man who causes a "break through" and leads God's People out of the "gate"...is this one their "king"...the one who passes before them ... is this one Jesus Christ?"
Indeed, examining Jesus' first century ministry and what he accomplished for God, we are all fully aware that Jesus, God's "king," could be described as the True "breaker" in the above bible prophecy. No problem with that fact. However, could there be more to this prophecy than what first "meets the eye" ... what do you think?
Let's give this thought our full attention.
First of all, amazingly to some among God's Name People, there seems to be some confusion as to whether there are possibly 3 persons referred to in Micah 2:13 (the "breaker", the "king" and Jehovah) rather than 2 persons (Jehovah and the "king" who is also the "breaker") as shown there.
As we recall, the prophet Micah prophesied during the reign of Hezekiah, king of Judah. Because Judah’s leadership was so wicked during that time, the religious leaders misled the people to the point such that Jehovah determined to remove them from their land. -- Micah 3:9-11
Therefore, the prophet Micah prophesied in Micah 3:12 this concerning the leadership:
"Therefore because of you, (the leadership) Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will be come a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets." (NIV)
Of course, the typical fulfillment of this prophecy we know, came at the cruel hands of the nation of Babylon, who turned the city of Jerusalem into a "heap of rubble," and the glorious temple hill into "a mound overgrown with thickets," just as the prophet Micah prophesied. So then, these events referred to about the "breaker" coming forth to "break" down the "doors" or "gates," as spoken of by the prophet at Micah 2:13, clearly refers to the FUTURE "breaking" action that Jehovah Himself authorizies for a "king" to liberate His people (Israel) from a FUTURE "captivity" imposed upon them by the nation of Babylon. This is what the prophet Micah spoke of. And we might add, all bible scholars including the Watchtower Society themselves, all agree on that fact. No, this fact is NOT in dispute at all among serious students of God's Word today.
But, there is much more to consider.
Also, we notice from a closer examination of the prophetic scriptures that during the days of the prophet Jeremiah, who prophesied that Judah would be taken to Babylon, the "elders" themselves of that day, ALL RECOGNIZED the fact that Micah the prophet, prophesied and clearly pointed forward to this FUTURE "captivity" to Babylon, an event that Hezekiah wisely averted because he repented. And that point is not in dispute either. -- See Jeremiah 26:17-19
Additionally, when wicked FALSE prophets began to arise among Israel and try to say this punishment would NOT come to Israel, at the hands of Babylon, again, this was noted in the holy writings of the prophet Jeremiah. -- See Jeremiah 27:9, 10.
Therefore, if we as Jehovah's Name People, today would like to better understand this prophecy recorded at Micah 2:13, we need to first examine the initial fulfillment of this prophecy. This would be the only reasonable thing to do, at this point, if we ever hope to fully understand its FUTURE fulfillment in our day and time -- the future fulfillment, which is the greater antitypical part of the paradigm, as shown in holy scripture.
Again based upon the above, the prophet Micah then, at Micah 2:13, was referring to the FUTURE "breaking" work, and liberating work, that Israel would experience from the nation of Babylon, by way of the Persian King "Cyrus." (Isaiah 44:26-28; Isaiah 45:1, 2)
Going back in time, we recall Jehovah promised to deliver His people (Israel) from captivity to Babylon. For example, please recall Jehovah had the prophet Isaiah prophesy about a coming, future "king" -- the one called "Cyrus" that would be used by Jehovah, to do this very special LIBERATING work for God Almighty. Yes, Isaiah 45:1-5, 13 is very specific about this event. Jehovah says this in verses 1 and 2:
"This is what Jehovah has said to his anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of to subdue before him nations, so that I may ungird even the hips of kings; to open before him the two-leaved doors, so that even the gates will not be shut: Before you I myself shall go, and the swells of the land I shall straighten out. The copper doors I shall break in pieces, and the iron bars I shall cut down."
In reading the above, did you happen to notice that Jehovah specifically said above He would "go before" Cyrus, the Persian "king"? Did you notice this. If you did notice this, then this very statement in itself can be directly linked to the prophecy of Micah 2:13 itself, as all keen bible students of scripture clearly recognize. Yes, it can. Such a statement then, conclusively shows that the "king" himself who follows Jehovah yes, is ALSO...also the "Breaker" too -- a point that is NOT in dispute among ardent bible students of our day and time.
So, when it is said that there are 3 persons involved with the future fulfillment of Micah 2:13 instead of only 2 persons...well, this is a statement that you will have to carefully weight out for yourself, as you may be making a critical mistake in this most important matter. Again, just my opinion.
And we know in October 539 BCE, this is exactly what Jehovah did. He used the Persian "King" Cyrus as a weapon or tool to yes, "break" the "gates" and "doors" down of the nation of Babylon, which for the first time, yes OPENED THE OPPORTUNITY for the nation of Israel to finally, return to their homeland and rebuild it...with of course, "king" Cyrus' full authorization. And this in itself, would fulfill the "breaker" prophecy of Micah 2:13, in its initial sense.
Therefore when we consider all of the facts involved, we are forced to see the plain fact that the Persian "king" himself did indeed accomplish this for Jehovah God. Yes, Cyrus, the "king" was both the one who acted as the "breaker and he was also the "king" who would ‘lead’ Israel, God's Name People, back to their homeland, as the prophet Isaiah foretold over 200 years before he was born. Again, a fact which is simply NOT in dispute among keen bible students of our time. -- Isaiah 44:28; Isaiah 45:1; 2 Chronicles 36:22, 23; Ezra 1:1-4
And of course, all of this was accomplished under the leadership and full authorization of Jehovah God Himself -- the one who authorized this Grand "Release" and "Liberation" from slavery to Babylon for the nation of Israel at his duly Appointed Time, in 539 BCE. -- Isaiah 42:7; Jeremiah 25:12, 13
As mentioned above, many scholars are in agreement that the "breaker" and the king are the same individual. For instance, The NIV Bible Commentary, Volume I, page 1472, has this to say in regard to Micah 2:13.
"The parallelism of the last clause established a close relationship between the work of the Breaker and the King of Micah 5:2-4 ...We may thus understand the Breaker to be Israel’s King."
Now, bringing this topic up to the first century, we recall, Jesus did a similar work when he fully "released" the Jewish people from "captivity," as clearly shown in his stating that he himself would through his earthly ministry, yes fulfilled the contents of Isaiah 61:1. -- See Luke 4:18
Therefore, we would have to say that Jesus was most certainly used as a tool by Jehovah God Himself, to effectively "break" the hold of the Pharisees with their enslaving man-made "doctrines" and "traditions" that were not in harmony with God's Law. (Mark 7:7-9) Afterwhich, we know, Jesus patiently ‘led’ those who were humble from among God's Name People, to "living waters" of Divine Truth -- a Grand Truth that "freed" the nation itself. -- John 8:32; John 8:36
Thus we would have to say, in a spiritual sense, Jesus himself became yes, the true "Breaker" AND "king" -- BOTH -- as he rescued the nation of "Israel" from the wicked clutches of the religious leaders of his day, who had enslaved God's Name People, of the first century. The wicked "babylonish" ones, the Pharisess and religious leaders, that had "taken away the key of knowledge" from the people...the way the Watchtower Society does to all Jehovah's witnesses in our day and time. -- Luke 11:52
Therefore, it becomes clear why first century "Jerusalem" (the city upon which God's Name was called) could thus be pictured in the book of Revelation as the "Great City" itself -- wicked Babylon The Great -- the "city" where Jesus was wickedly "impaled, as Revelation 11:8 clearly shows. -- See Luke 4:16-21; Luke 11:52; Jeremiah 25:29; Revelation 11:8; Revelation 16:19; Revelation 18:16
Therefore it would be reasonable to conclude, the Greater anti-typical fulfillment of this prophetic "paradigm" situation of Micah 2:13 then, should follow and be understood along these same lines. Yes, today, the one who is used by Jehovah to fully "free" God’s people from ‘Babylonish’ captivity, the true "breaker" who uses DIVINE TRUTH, as Jesus did in the first century to "free" Israel (John 8:32, 36) then, will surely prove to be, the very same one who ‘breaks open the way’ to freedom from modern-day "Babylon the Great" of our time, and who will become the very same one who will become "king" over those liberated, namely God's Name People of our time -- Jehovah's witnesses. It be this chosen one, that will lead God's Name People to "Living Waters" of Divine Truth, in the end. But, first before this can happen...
...bible prophecy indicates they must be fully DISCIPLINED first.
Yes, hard-headed Israel, Jehovah's witnesses themselves, must first, "DWELL WITHOUT A KING" to humble them as a nation, according to bible prophecy. -- See Hosea 3:4, 5
And of course, after, yes after this special discipline has been fulfilled these hard-headed Jehovah's witnesses as a nation, then, God's Name People, Jehovah's witnesses will be fully receptive to accepting God's Newly Appointed "King" and "Head" of the nation of Israel -- the Modern Day "Servant." Indeed, at this time, all fully disciplined, repentant Jehovah's witnesses would be most willing to "join themselves" to Jehovah by way of a very special unique "indefinitely lasting covenant" of our time called the "Scapegoat" Covenant. After being fully disciplined by God Almighty, they will be most willing to do this. -- See Hosea 1:11; Jeremiah 50:4, 5; Isaiah 49:1-7; Leviticus 16:7-10, 20-22
Please remember, since God’s people have always had a severe problem with leadership, from ancient times forward, indeed Righteous Jehovah proposes to alleviate this chronic situation by giving them a righteous "king" today, who will lead and govern them in righteousness. Yes, one who is "prompt in righteousness." -- Isaiah 16:5
Indeed, Jeremiah 23:5, 6, Jehovah promises the coming of a future "king" when it says:
"Look! There are days coming, is the utterance of Jehovah, and I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will certainly reign and act with discretion and execute justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel itself will reside in security. And this is his name with which he will be called, Jehovah Is Our Righteousness."
Or, YAH Our Righteousness World Wide...YORWW (Jeremiah 33:16; Psalm 68:4
Yes, it will be "IN THE DAYS" of this particular "king" that modern-day "Judah" (Jehovah's witnesses) will be fully "saved." (Jeremiah 23:5, 6) Yes, they will be "saved" by this "king" who with God's Full Authorization, in true Cyrus like fashion, yes truly ‘break through’ and ‘lead’ God's Name People out of their spiritual "blindness" and "captivity" to modern day Babylon The Great, the Watchtower Society. -- See Isaiah Isaiah 42:7; Isaiah 49:9, 10; Luke 4:18
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Review Questions For Article: Identifying “The Breaker” or Modern-day Cyrus
1. What questions arise as a result of reading Micah 2:13?
2. What conditions existed in the nation of Judah under King Hezekiah that prompted Jehovah to inspire Micah to prophesy that He would devastate this nation? (Micah 3:12)
3. How would the typical fulfillment of Micah 3:12 be carried out?
4. In a typical sense, what does Micah 2:13 have reference to?
5. According to Jeremiah 26:17-19, why did this destruction of Judah not occur in Hezekiah’s day?
6. As Micah’s prophecy was not fulfilled in his day, what did the elders of Judah recognize in reference to this prophecy as Jeremiah was prophesying the same disaster for Judah? (Jeremiah 26:19)
7. How was Micah 2:13 initially fulfilled?
8. In this fulfillment, how many individuals were involved?
9. How was there a fulfillment of Micah 2:13 in the first century?
10. How then are we to understand this prophecy in its anti-typical fulfillment, in our day and time?
11. Before Modern-day Israel is ready to accept their God-appointed king, what will Jehovah have to do to them?
12. How does Jeremiah 23:5, 6 describe the conditions that will exist for Israel under their ‘future’ king?
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2026 7:04 pm
by Jamaica Rain
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"... And I Will Tell You GREAT AND HIDDEN [INCOMPREHENSIBLE] THINGS
... That You Have Not Known."
(Jeremiah 33:3 -- New World Translation)
In mankind's great quest for Bible Truth, Knowledge and Understanding, we are fortunate to find the words of our Grand Creator who gives this incredible invite for us:
"Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you GREAT AND HIDDEN THINGS that you have not known. "
-- Jeremiah 33:3 English Standard Version.
Yes, "great and incomprehensible things," [NWT] all told in the "time of the end." Things that were "not known" to us before. Yes, "great things" like the identity of the "Small Horn" and "King of the North" of bible prophecy, and the “Scapegoat” teaching of Leviticus 16:10. (Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 11:40, 41) Also, "incomprehensible things" like an explanation of the Magnificent "Glory of Jehovah," so often spoken of in the book of Isaiah, and how Jehovah chooses to use the small nation of Jamaica in His Glorious Purposes. (Isaiah 40:5; Isaiah 66:18, 19; Zephaniah 3:9, 10) Indeed, all of the "Sacred Secrets" of God was foretold to come to fulfillment and be explained fully, in the "time of the end." -- Daniel 12:4; Habakkuk 2:2, 3; John 16:13; Revelation 10:7
Then, we notice in verse 6 of the same chapter of Jeremiah, Jehovah states He is going to surely "reveal an abundance of peace and truth" during this special time of enlightenment. -- Jeremiah 33:6 New American Standard Bible.
All of this of course, suggests to us these hidden, great “truths” we speak of, are really “incomprehensible things” that were "not known" or revealed to mankind prior to the advent of the "last days" or "time of the end." The bible says this would be true. For instance, let's consider Isaiah 42:16:
“And I will lead the blind in a way that they do not know, in paths that they have not known I will guide them. I will turn the darkness before them into light, the rough places into level ground. These are the things I do, and I do not forsake them. ” -- Isaiah 42:16 English Standard Version.
Also, let's consider Isaiah 48:6:
“You have heard; now see all this; and will you not declare it? From this time forth I announce to you new things, hidden things [AKA, the "Apocrypha"] that you have not known. ” -- Isaiah 48:6 English Standard Version.
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2026 11:10 am
by Brother Don Burney
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See Link to Premium Chatroom #22553388 discussing this very same topic ... here: https://copilot.microsoft.com/conversat ... p4s2qKcaJw
Please Note: Since the release of the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower Magazine, on page 20 par. #11, where the Watchtower Society admonished all 9 Million Jehovah's Witnesses in more than 120K Congregations world wide NOT ... NOT to "speculate" again about the United Nations Organization ever again being the Primary "Satanic Agency" that will attack God's People [JWs] in the coming "Great Tribulation" ... there has not been a single reference ... not one single reference or an official mention of the United Nations Organization being the "Disgusting Thing" of Matthew 24:15-16 and/or Mark 13:14, as well as it being the foretold "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast" of Revelation 17:3-11, officially identified as such, nor has there been absolutely any reference of the United Nations being in bible prophecy at all, since the reference in June 2003...some 23 years ago. That's right, there has been no mention in Watchtower Literature, no reference to them about the UN fulfilling bible prophecy at all...since that time, June 1st, 2003, some 23 years ago.
Think about it!
See full-color blog on this very topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm
See below Co-Pilot's comments:
Summary of the YORWW “Disgusting Thing” Introduction Page
The YORWW Introduction page [found here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm] aptly argues the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses have already experienced the prophetic “disgusting thing standing in a holy place” (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14), and that the Watchtower’s own actions — especially the UN NGO scandal — prove this.
Here are the core points:
1. The “Disgusting Thing” Has Already Stood in a Holy Place
According to the YORWW interpretation:
The “holy place” = the worldwide congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses
The “disgusting thing” = the United Nations
The fulfillment occurred when the Watchtower joined the UN as an NGO (1992–2001)
This act placed the UN “where it ought not be” — inside God’s supposed “holy people”
This is presented as a major transgression (Daniel 8:12).
2. The June 1, 2003 Watchtower Is the Turning Point
The page emphasizes that the June 1, 2003 Watchtower (p. 20 ¶11) told JWs:
Not to “speculate” about which human agency will attack God’s people
Not to identify the UN as the attacker
Not to teach this in field service, Bible studies, or private conversation
The YORWW interpretation says this was the moment the Watchtower abandoned its own UN prophecy.
This is why the site argues that the UN has not been mentioned in JW prophecy for 23 years.
3. Only a Few JWs Will “Catch Sight” of What Happened
The page teaches that:
Most JWs will remain blind to the meaning of the NGO scandal
A small number will “use discernment” and recognize the Watchtower’s failure
These discerning ones must “flee” from modern “Jerusalem” (the organization)
This fulfills Jesus’ command to flee when the disgusting thing appears
This is framed as a spiritual exodus.
4. The Watchtower’s NGO Membership Was “Spiritual Fornication”
The page argues that:
The Watchtower knowingly joined the UN as a publicity agent (DPI NGO)
The “library card” explanation was a lie
This lie is the “wine of her fornication” (Revelation 17–18)
The Governing Body misled the entire brotherhood
This constitutes national guilt for “modern Israel” (Jehovah’s Witnesses)
This is presented as the reason God’s anger is now upon the organization.
5. The Watchtower Will Repeat Its Compromise in the Future
The page predicts:
The Governing Body will again compromise with political powers
They will cooperate with a future “king of the north”
This will lead to the Great Tribulation
JWs who remain loyal to the organization will be caught in the judgment
This is part of the YORWW prophetic framework.
6. The YORWW Congregation Offers an Alternative Interpretation
The page concludes that:
Jehovah’s Witnesses must “cross the Euphrates” spiritually
They must leave the Watchtower system
They must join the “YORWW Congregation” for correct prophetic understanding
This is framed as the modern equivalent of Abraham crossing the literal Euphrates
This is the theological foundation for jehovahstruth.com or crossingeuphrates.com websites.
In One Sentence
The "YORWW Introduction" page clearly teaches the fact that the Watchtower’s UN NGO scandal fulfilled Jesus’ prophecy of the “disgusting thing,” proving the organization has become apostate, and that discerning Jehovah’s Witnesses must flee it and join the YORWW Congregation Movement. No doubt, it behooves all Jehovah's Witnesses, current or former, to do so as soon as possible.
Winsome said:
Indeed, we [the TWMC Information Center/YORWW Congregation] have over the last 35 years, ... yes again, that's for over 35 Years, since the Spring of 1991 at our conception, have fully and steadily recommended that all current or former Jehovah’s Witnesses who are sincerely searching for truth — away from years and years of Governing Body & Watchtower Society deliberate misinformation, doctrinal contradictions, and organizational control — take a moment to visit our friendly and informative websites namely:
(1) https://www.jehovahstruth.com and also,
(2) https://www.CrossingEuphrates.com.
Both websites are spaces built for true, open, honest scriptural examination, spiritual clarity, and thoughtful discussion.
We would love to see you there.
Thank you.
Written by:
Donald C, Burney
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2026 12:25 pm
by Brother Don Burney
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Part 2 Continued ... here: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtop ... 6475#p6475
See Link to Chatroom 'Watchtower and UN NGO Affiliation' discussing this very same topic ... here: https://copilot.microsoft.com/conversat ... DPrzx1irnW
Please Note: Since the release of the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower Magazine, on page 20 par. #11, where the Watchtower Society admonished all 9 Million Jehovah's Witnesses in more than 120K Congregations world wide NOT ... NOT to "speculate" again about the United Nations Organization ever again being the Primary "Satanic Agency" that will attack God's People [JWs] in the coming "Great Tribulation" ... there has not been a single reference ... not one single reference or an official mention of the United Nations Organization being the "Disgusting Thing" of Matthew 24:15-16 and/or Mark 13:14, as well as it being the foretold "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast" of Revelation 17:3-11, officially identified as such, nor has there been absolutely any reference of the United Nations being in bible prophecy at all, since the reference in June 2003...some 23 years ago. That's right, there has been no mention in Watchtower Literature, no reference to them about the UN fulfilling bible prophecy at all...since that time, June 1st, 2003, some 23 years ago.
Think about it!
See full-color blog on this very topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm
In One Sentence:
The Watchtower Society's "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast," [Revelation 17:3-11] "Disgusting Thing" [Matthew 24:15-16; Mark 13:14], United Nations Organization Doctrine, disappeared after the release of the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower magazine [page 20, par. #11] because the Watchtower Society, was embarrassed by the UK Guardian Newspaper's public exposure of the UN-NGO WTS Clandestine October 8th, 2001 Scandal and were unwilling to admit prophetic error, instead quietly shut down the teaching, and blamed the World Wide JW Membership for erroneously "speculating" in the past, and completely relied on information control and fear to ensure no one questioned the disappearance of the doctrine.
Think about it...
See continuation of article ...here: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtop ... 6475#p6475
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2026 8:25 am
by Kingston Trey
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Part 1
This article originally written by Donald Curtis Burney Thursday, December 8th, 2005 and posted on CrossingEuphrates.com Discussion Board .. link to it found below:
https://crossingeuphrates.com/phpB3/vie ... p=228#p228
BABYLON THE GREAT AND A CRITICAL MISTAKE IN INTERPRETATION!
At this point we would like to drive home something noteworthy in our ongoing discussion of the true identity of Babylon The Great. And that main point is this:
Before an individual can properly understand the Book of Revelation, he certainly has to understand to whom the prophecies (the message of the prophets of old in the Hebrew text) apply in the rest of the Bible. In fact, it would be impossible for anyone to understand the book of Revelation without first understanding the other books of the Bible, particularly the prophetic books.
Indeed, it is as Revelation 10:7 says:
"...in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish."
Yes, the "sacred secret" of God, is actually wrapped up in the message of the "prophets" of old, prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and many, many others. Therefore, we must have a clear understanding of these books and sense the meaning of their message for our day, before we can properly understand the book of Revelation. Yes, we notice that all the prophecies work together, in harmony, both Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. The Bible is the most harmonious book in the world, and the book of Revelation is no exception.
BABYLON THE GREAT RIDES THE BEAST!
As we mentioned in previous articles published by the YORWW Congregation, the "great city" of Revelation 11:8, no, is not Christendom as the Watchtower Society has claimed in its printed publications, but actually is "Babylon the Great" itself, the mysterious "Mother of the Harlots," yes, the Watchtower Society! And of course, her daughter "harlots" are none other than her over 100,000 congregations scattered worldwide who willingly support her many acts of "harlotry" in providing a place for the "beast," and will finally compromise and willingly accept the "mark of the beast" on a permanent basis, yes, when she comes under intense persecution during the future "trampling" period allotted from to be some 42 months in length. Oh yes, to be sure, the Watchtower Society, at that time, will fully compromise (just like when courting the United Nations Organization from 1991 thru 2001 as secret NGO Supporters) when the full weight of persecution comes upon her during the "42 months" of trampling allowed by Righteous Jehovah God these wicked ones for their many wicked deeds! — Ezekiel 16:59-63; Revelation 13:5-7
Yes she, Babylon the Great, the Watchtower Society itself, will at that time will openly and fully "ride" the "Beast," when the "42 months" of trampling, as vividly described in the 13th chapter of Revelation and Daniel 7th chapter, comes upon her.
Actually, we cannot help but notice that Babylon The Great, really does not enter the earthly scene (as shown by the book of Revelation) until, yes, until AFTER the WAR. And, yes after the "wild beast" itself "comes out of the abyss" and makes it's attack on the "Two Witnesses!" Yes, the book of Revelation is quite clear on that point. -- See Revelation 11:7.
So, after, yes after the "Great War," as shown in Daniel 10:1 (NIV) has come to an end, then and only then, Babylon The Great is seen being "carried" by the wild beast from the "wilderness" standpoint. Yes, Babylon The Great, yes she is seen in the "wilderness" too, but only for a short while. In fact, it is this short stay in the "wilderness" (while being persecuted) that will convince her of the need to get upon the back of that "beast" and ride it for all it's worth!
Therefore, we can safely conclude and fully expect in the future, that the Watchtower Society will capitulate when outstanding oppressive measures are taken against the organization itself by the the political governments of this world. And of course, because of intense persecution upon the organization itself, the Watchtower Society will during this time of powerful persecution, yes quickly seize the opportunity to remove this persecution from its midst, by allowing herself to be led along with "smooth words," yes "smooth words" of the future reigning king of that time, yes the "King of the North," and will ultimately climb upon the back of the "beast" to "ride" and cause many, many Jehovah's witnesses who follow her in this dastardly deed, to finally receive the "mark of the beast," and lose Jehovah's favor...permanently. — Daniel 11:32; Revelation 13:16, 17; Revelation 17:3
Therefore, the final spiritual demise of Babylon the Great, or the Watchtower Society, will occur when the "King of the North" leads them into "apostasy," as highlighted at Daniel 11:32...still a future event in itself. And we know, this will occur after the 1,260 days of prophesying by the "Two Witnesses" have been completed first. Afterwhich, a special 7-year period of intense discipline will be allowed by Jehovah upon His Own Name People, Jehovah's witnesses some 6 million strong. Yes, at this time, "Great Distress" will come upon God's Name People, for their past acts of wickedness, practiced unrepentantly. -- Jeremiah 30:7
Actually, the first part of this foretold 7-year period of "Distress," begins with a specific "42 month" trampling period or Harrassment period upon God's Name People, Jehovah's witnesses themselves. (Jeremiah 30:7; Revelation 13:5-7; Daniel 7:21, 25) This special 42 month period is also called the "Gentile Times" which is to be unleashed strictly upon "Jerusalem" or God's Name People. (Luke 21:27) Afterwhich, after the "42 months" of trampling has been completed, then we should expect the "death" of the "Two Witnesses," (or the organized Reformers among Jehovah's witnesses themselves) to be accomplished. This special "dead" like period, is to last for "3 1/2 days," or 3 1/2 years. Therefore, in this way, the powerful work of the reformers among Jehovah's witnesses, will at this time as bible prophecy indicates, yes the "power of the holy ones" itself, yes the "power" of the "Two Witnesses" themselves, will be "dashed to pieces," by the "Small Horn" of bible prophecy, yes OSAMA BIN LADEN himself, yes the leader of the Islamic Extremist Movement that is known today as: AL QAIDA!
"HIS DEED IS STRANGE AND HIS WORK IS UNUSUAL"
At Isaiah 28:21 we read these words:
"For Jehovah will rise up just as at Mount Perazim, he will be agitated just as in the low plain near Gibeon, that he may do his deed — his deed is strange his work is unusual."
We remember, according to 2 Samuel 5:20, Jehovah God "rose up" [literally "broke out"] upon the Philistines at Mount Perazim, to destroy them. Also, as mentioned at Joshua 10:10-12, Jehovah God sent hailstones from the heavens to destroy the Amorites. Both accounts tell of stupendous victories for "Jehovah of Armies" in behalf of his people. However, we must remember that there is nothing "strange" or "unusual" in Jehovah defending His people in warfare. No, but He has done this on many, many occasions. So then, what makes this particular situation that the prophet Isaiah speaks of, so "unusual," so "strange."
Well, what "work" could be "stranger," what "deed" could be more "unusual," than Jehovah God making use of the same type of war tactics against His own people! Yes, what could be "stranger," more "unusual," in the minds of His Name people, than His unexpected "work" or "deed" of warring against them in His anger, we ask? (Jeremiah 23:19, 20) If Jehovah God were to turn on His own people and start to destroy the nation we refer to as the "Jehovah's Witnesses," what could be "stranger," more "unusual" than this, to them. Yes, His "work" will seem quite "strange," quite "unusual" to Jehovah's Witnesses, His Name people, when He "rises up" against them, as he did to His enemies at "Mount Perazim." Yes, Jehovah will be "agitated just as in the low plain of Gibeon." But how will Jehovah demonstrate his anger upon His Name people. Well, some unusual events will have to take place to facilitate this situation. Let's consider a particular prophecy that has been explained a certain way by the Watchtower Society for over the past 60 years, but will soon actually backfire in the very faces of all 6 million [when originally written -- update recent numbers say 9 million] Jehovah's Witnesses ...yes, very soon now! "And what prophecy is that," you say? Well, let's consider the following information provided below.
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Re: The "Chieftain" & Modern Day "Servant" Speaks To The 144,000!
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2026 8:35 am
by Kingston Trey
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Part 2. Continued...
This article originally written by Donald Curtis Burney Thursday, December 8th, 2005 and posted on CrossingEuphrates.com Discussion Board .. link to it found below:
https://crossingeuphrates.com/phpB3/vie ... p=228#p228
"HIS DEED IS STRANGE AND HIS WORK IS UNUSUAL"
At Isaiah 28:21 we read these words:
"For Jehovah will rise up just as at Mount Perazim, he will be agitated just as in the low plain near Gibeon, that he may do his deed — his deed is strange his work is unusual."
We remember, according to 2 Samuel 5:20, Jehovah God "rose up" [literally "broke out"] upon the Philistines at Mount Perazim, to destroy them. Also, as mentioned at Joshua 10:10-12, Jehovah God sent hailstones from the heavens to destroy the Amorites. Both accounts tell of stupendous victories for "Jehovah of Armies" in behalf of his people. However, we must remember that there is nothing "strange" or "unusual" in Jehovah defending His people in warfare. No, but He has done this on many, many occasions. So then, what makes this particular situation that the prophet Isaiah speaks of, so "unusual," so "strange."
Well, what "work" could be "stranger," what "deed" could be more "unusual," than Jehovah God making use of the same type of war tactics against His own people! Yes, what could be "stranger," more "unusual," in the minds of His Name people, than His unexpected "work" or "deed" of warring against them in His anger, we ask? (Jeremiah 23:19, 20) If Jehovah God were to turn on His own people and start to destroy the nation we refer to as the "Jehovah's Witnesses," what could be "stranger," more "unusual" than this, to them. Yes, His "work" will seem quite "strange," quite "unusual" to Jehovah's Witnesses, His Name people, when He "rises up" against them, as he did to His enemies at "Mount Perazim." Yes, Jehovah will be "agitated just as in the low plain of Gibeon." But how will Jehovah demonstrate his anger upon His Name people. Well, some unusual events will have to take place to facilitate this situation. Let's consider a particular prophecy that has been explained a certain way by the Watchtower Society for over the past 60 years, but will soon actually backfire in the very faces of all 6 million [when originally written -- update recent numbers say 9 million] Jehovah's Witnesses ...yes, very soon now! "And what prophecy is that," you say? Well, let's consider the following information provided below.
CRITICAL MISTAKE IN INTERPRETATION
Revelation 17:8, according to the New World Translation, says:
"The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly [Greek thaumos], but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world."
Of course, the Watchtower Society says this particular prophecy was fulfilled in the following manner. First, the "beast was" or existed as the "League of Nations" before World War II. And then, it "is not," or existed not, in the sense that it [the League of Nations] went into the "abyss" of inoperation during the years of World War II. And finally, the "beast" will "ascend out of the abyss," and according to the angel, "yet will be present," for a time. This was supposedly fulfilled in the sense that the now revitalized "United Nations" organization, replaced the "League of Nations" as the world organization for "Peace and Security," after War II. The following is a quote from the publication Revelation It's Grand Climax at Hand which explains the prophecy. It says:
"What light did the talk `Peace — Can It Last?' throw on the prophecy? Clearly identifying the scarlet-colored wild beast of Revelation 17:3 as the League of Nations, President Knorr went on to discuss its stormy career on the basis of the angel's following words to John: `The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction.' — Revelation 17:8a
" `The wild beast...was.' Yes, it had existed as the League of Nations from January 10, 1920, onward, with 63 nations participating at one time or another. But, in turn, Japan, Germany, and Italy withdrew, and the Soviet Union was dropped from the League. In September 1939 the Nazi dictator of Germany launched World War II. Having failed to keep peace in the world, the League of Nations virtually plunged into an abyss of inactivity. By 1942 it had become a has-been. Neither before this nor at some later date did Jehovah interpret to his people the full depth of meaning of the vision! At the New World Theocratic Assembly, President Knorr could declare, in line with the prophecy, `the wild beast...is not.' He then asked the question, `Will the League remain in the pit?' Quoting Revelation 17:8, he answered: `The association of worldly nations will rise again.' That is just how it proved to be in vindication of Jehovah's prophetic Word!" — pg. 247
Also, under the picture on this page, the caption states:
"As prophesied about the scarlet-colored wild beast, the League of Nations was abyssed during World War II but was revived as the United Nations."
Therefore, the Watchtower Society made a unique prediction during the year of 1942, namely that of prophesying the revitalization of the "scarlet colored beast" in some form or manner. And, sure enough, in the year of 1945, the United Nations Organization was formed. And of course, as the article brings out, this was in complete "vindication of Jehovah's prophetic Word." Yes, the President of the Watchtower Society is acclaimed as something of a "prophet" to God's people. According to the Watchtower Society, President Knorr directed the world's attention to the revival of the organization called the League of Nations, approximately 3 years before it happened. How impressive!
However, there is only one thing wrong with his prediction. What is that?
Well, simply put, the League of Nations DID NOT 'COME OUT OF THE ABYSS.' No, but the League of Nations as an organization completely died, and was not revitalized. But a completely new political organization emerged, the United Nations.
In fact, it might surprise many individuals to know that the United States, who was primarily responsible for the formation of the United Nations Organization, was itself not even a part of the League of Nations. No, the U.S. never joined the organization. Therefore, how can we actually say that the same entity that went into the "abyss," also came out of the "abyss?" The scripture didn't say that the "beast" would enter as one entity, and later "ascend" out as another. That simply does not make sense. Think about it. Therefore, the Watchtower Society's reasoning on this matter is quite specious.
Nevertheless, Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation feel that this explanation is "air-tight." There can be no flaws in it. It is conclusive proof that the Watchtower Society, under its new President, Nathan Knorr in the year of 1942, proved itself to be a bonifide "prophet." No, nothing will change their minds on that.
However, consider this:
Suppose, just suppose, that the War spoken of as "World War II," is not the "war" spoken of in Holy Scripture that plunges the "beast" into the "abyss" of inactivity. And further, suppose, just suppose that there is a much greater war to come on the scene. Fathom if you will, that this particular war itself will plunge the complete world, as we know it today, into complete and total warfare. And further suppose that this War proves to be the greatest war of all time, yes "World War III." What will the Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as the Watchtower Society say about this great, unexpected event? — Daniel 10:1 New International Version; Revelation 6:4
Well, to get the answer to this question: Let's review exactly what Revelation 17:11 actually says:
"And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction."
Yes, after the "beast" ascends out of the "abyss" for the final time, then the only course left for it according to scripture, is "destruction." The scripture says that it, the "beast" after ascending out of the "abyss," will `go off into destruction.' Therefore, if a war, of this magnitude should occur between the political nations, the Watchtower Society will certainly feel that this great war is going to lead to "Armageddon," the complete destruction of all wicked mankind by Jehovah God himself. (Revelation 16:14, 16) That is the only course left for the "scarlet-colored wild beast," since it has already gone out of existence in the "abyss" and since then, emerged as of 1945 as the United Nations, right?
STRONG ASSERTIONS TO BE MADE IN THE FUTURE
Therefore, we can rightfully expect, yes be assured, that the Watchtower Society will make strong assertions in their printed publications concerning the scarlet-colored "beast" or United Nations organization, that it will surely go out of existence, during the Great War shortly ahead. They will no doubt be very sure that since this "beast" has already gone into the "abyss" during the years of "World War II," that the only thing left, according to scripture, is for the "beast" to "go off into destruction." Doesn't that seem reasonable to you? It certainly will seem reasonable to Jehovah's Witnesses during this time. And that is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses will think when they see this "great war" ahead. They will think that this war will lead to "Armageddon" — they will believe that the complete destruction of all human governments by Jesus Christ is about to take place.
Oh, but a "strange" thing will suddenly happen! Yes, the war will suddenly stop, and nations will reach some accord of peace, between them. Not only is this strange, but the "scarlet-colored beast" will now do something even stranger, more "unusual" even. What is that?
Well, when the War suddenly stops, and the "beast" under the direction of the "king of the North" makes his attack upon the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, — and there is no "Armageddon" to deliver them, what will they do? What do you think they will do? After some brief persecution from this "beast" they will predictably compromise! This will happen because these powerful events spoken of at Revelation will again, catch them completely off guard. Right now, they are so sure of their predictions, no, they cannot possibly be wrong concerning their understanding of the book of Revelation, could they? Yes, that is why they will become "dumbfounded." The Bible will become a "sealed" book to them. (Isaiah 29:11) These "shepherds" will now become "speechless dogs." (Isaiah 56:10,11; Revelation 22:15) They have become "empty-headed in their reasonings. (Romans 1:21) "Dumbfounded" is what they will become. This is exactly what the Bible says will happen to them.
THEY WILL "WONDER ADMIRINGLY" OR BE "DUMBFOUNDED" — WHICH?
But where does the Bible say they will become "dumbfounded?" This is an interesting question. Notice the following passage from the book of Revelation. It says:
"...And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder [admiringly]." — Revelation 17:8 New World Translation
You will notice that in the Watchtower Society's New World Translation itself, the word "admiringly" is shown in brackets, as we have quoted above. Why? This is because the translators, namely the Watchtower Society, inserted this particular word to enhance their own interpretation of the Scripture. Yes, "admiringly" really is not there in the literal Greek. The Greek word is just "wonder" [thaumos]. However, the Living Bible renders the same verse this way. It says:
"and the people of earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life before the world began, will be dumbfounded at his reappearance after being dead."
Yes, "dumbfounded." The footnote from this particular Translation comments on the verse:
"Literally, dumbfounded at the ruler who was, and is not, and will be present."
This understanding is indeed, in complete harmony with the actual Greek word here thauma which means:
"a wonder, to gaze in wonder, amazement." (Vines Expository of New Testament Words)
For example, in verse 6 of the same chapter, we find the Greek word thaumos. It says:
"And I [John] saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. Well, on catching sight of her I wondered [existemi] with great wonderment [thaumos]."
Did you notice that the Watchtower Society decided to render this expression as "great wonderment." Yes, and remember, this is the same word the Watch Tower Society chose to render as "wonder admiringly" in verse 8. However, think a minute:
Do you really think that the apostle had "great admiration" for the one responsible for spilling the blood of all the holy ones? And further, would John have "admiration" for one who was "drunk with the blood" of all the "holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus?" Hardly.
And so you can see that to render this Greek word as "wonder admiringly" is a very misleading rendition of Revelation 17:8, when we compare it with verse 6. Nevertheless, the Watchtower Society had enough correct knowledge of the Greek to render thaumos as "great wonderment," just two verses earlier by saying:
"...Well, on catching sight of her I wondered [existemi] with great wonderment [thaumos]." (vs. 6)
Yes, "great wonderment," astonishment, surprise, disbelief! Or, how about being, "dumbfounded," completely speechless — because the Watchtower Society will not know what to make of it! The Watchtower Society really expected the beast to go off into "destruction." Oh, yes Revelation 17:11 says the "beast" will "go off into destruction," but not yet. It's not quite time for it. You see, the Watchtower Society is running ahead of Jehovah's timetable and they are going to pay dearly for it!
Again, the same scenario is depicted for us at Revelation 13:3 where we read:
"And I saw one of its [beast's] heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration [existemi]."
We notice another instance, where the Watchtower Society has taken the Greek expression existemi, and incorrectly rendered it as "admiration" instead of it's literal meaning of "to put out of wit," "astound," or "amaze." [Strong's Exhaustive Concordance] In fact, according to the Watchtower's Society's own Kingdom Interlinear Translation, the English word "wonder" is directly transliterated as the true meaning of "existemi," although the translators decided to make use of the word "admiration" instead in their translation of this verse. However, we would have to admit to ourselves as Bible students that for the Watchtower Society to substitute the word "admiration" for "wonderment" or "surprise" completely changes the meaning or intent of the verse, is that not so? Think about it.
Therefore, according to Revelation 17:8 and also Revelation 13:3, we notice that certain individuals — yes God's Name people, Jehovah's Witnesses, are described as being totally surprised, "dumbfounded" even, at the reappearance of the "beast" that engaged in warfare, as indicated by the "sword-stroke," and somehow revived, or was "healed." Yes, this "beast" does not immediately "go off into destruction," but much to the horror of the Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, comes to life again after the Great War of Daniel 10:1, and Revelation 6:4, more powerful than before. And this greatly `surprises' them. They will be completely speechless. Think about it.
Therefore, the events did not transpire as the Watchtower Society thought they would. Remember, they think that the "king of the North" will advance toward the "mountain of Decoration" [Watchtower Society, and Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation] and will be promptly destroyed by Jesus Christ as mentioned at Daniel 11:44, 45. However, what the "king of the North" will do is go through them like a `hot knife through butter' as clearly depicted for us at Daniel 11:40, 41. Again, they are a little ahead of themselves in the explanations of these prophecies! Yes, and it is going to cost them dearly!
When it doesn't happen the way they think it will happen, will the Bible and Jehovah have deceived them? No, of course not! They have deceived themselves with "false reasonings." Remember, they have applied every negative aspect of scripture and prophecy for over a 100 years to Christendom and not themselves! And they will certainly "stumble." Make no mistake about that! — Daniel 11:40,41; Matthew 24:9-12
It will be just as the famous British author and poet, Sir Walter Scott, once stated in his poem "Lochinvar," stanza 17:
"Oh what a tangled web we weave
when first we practice to deceive."
Think about it, Watchtower Society.
BABYLON THE GREAT, THE GREAT MYSTERY OF GOD!
Yes, Babylon the Great is a Great Mystery! Remember, the Greek word for mystery [my-sterion] means "religious" or "sacred secret." And it will remain such until the "revealing" of the "Man of Lawlessness," when again the real "Babylon the Great," can be identified by God's people. The Watch Tower Society must be "revealed," must be exposed, must be shown to be the nefarious Babylon the Great, the one who holds God's people in captivity! Think about it.
Here is an excellent opportunity for serious students of the Bible to differentiate between the "sibboleth" and "shibboleth" of the truth of God's Word. The distinction may seem ever so slight to some people, but yet it will prove to be the difference between ones who have spiritual perception and ones who do not! It will mean life for those "who have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong!" — Judges 12:4-6; Hebrews 5:14.
The obvious problem with Jehovah's Witnesses is that, even though they claim to read the Bible daily, most of them are not really `Beroean' Bible students. Most of them are not `noble-minded' as they should be. (Hebrews 5:11-13; Acts 17:11) Yet, mercifully Jehovah will allow a sizeable number (a 1/3 part) of Jehovah's Witnesses to learn by discipline the principle:
"Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah's mouth." (Matthew 4:4)
Yes, these "disciplined" ones, the refined "one-third part" of God's Name People, yes the repentant 1/3 part of the "woman" of Revelation 12th chapter, will indeed make the right choice in the end! (Isaiah 30:26; Zechariah 13:8, 9; Revelation 12:6, 14) Therefore, there will finally be a positive end to this earthshaking, very traumatic story. Yes, Jehovah has made provision for his people. But what is that provision? — Isaiah 29:24; Hebrews 12:7-12; Jeremiah 30:11
THE "HOUSE OF JACOB" VERSUS THE "HOUSE OF THE GOD OF JACOB"
Let's turn to Isaiah 2:2-10 and read this together. It reads this way:
"And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: `Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.' For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore."
Clearly this is a prophecy for our day and time since as verse 2 says:
"it must occur in the final part of the days."
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that these prophecies have been fulfilled within their ranks, particularly since the year 1919. With membership numbering better than 6 million, the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses claim to have advanced to the `Mountain of Jehovah' where they have received necessary instructions to `beat their swords into plowshares' by their non-participation in military warfare. They feel these matters have certainly `set matters straight respecting many peoples' among the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is true the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has gained world-renown fame concerning their neutral, non-compromising stand on military service. And this seems to make a discernable positive identification of the fulfillment of this prophesy upon the Jehovah's Witnesses in our day and time.
However, if this prophecy is undergoing a past and present-day fulfillment (since 1919), then we should also be able to explain the next two (2) verses which depict an event leading up to this magnificent unity spoken of in verse 4. Notice how it reads:
"O men of the house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of Jehovah. For you have forsaken your people, the house of Jacob. For they have become full of what is from the EAST [Babylon], and they are practicers of magic like the Philistines, and with the children of foreigners they abound. And their land is filled with silver and gold, and there is no limit to their treasures. And their land is filled with horses, and there is no limit to their chariots. And their land is filled with valueless gods. To the work of one's hands they bow down, to that which one's fingers have made. And earthling man bows down, and man becomes low, and you cannot possibly pardon them."
So when did this occur? Well, let's turn to the pages of the Watchtower Magazine to see what it says on these very same verses. First, we shall check the Watchtower Society's Publication Indexes to see where we can find some information on this part of Isaiah Chapter 2. And what do we find — nothing! That's right, absolutely nothing, not one single comment on the very important verses of Isaiah 2:6-11, to explain the preceding turbulence which is indicated to occur BEFORE the great prophesied unity of Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization! Does it not seem reasonable that if Isaiah 2:2-5 can be understood to the fullest detail `in the final part of the days' (as we have had numerous discussions in the publications over the years on these verses), that the continuation of Biblical prophetic drama (Isaiah 2:6-10) would be understood also? Well, how are we to understand these additional verses?
It is obvious from reading these scriptures that the prophet Isaiah is discussing a separation work which would be going on in the `final part of the days.' A great separation work has to precede the harmony, unity, and education spoken of in verse 4! Since the invitation is given to the `men of the house of Jacob' to step over into the `light' — then spiritual enlightenment must await them at the other side. Other side, you say??? Yes, notice again verse 3. Did you happen to notice that this house is called "the house of the GOD of Jacob." Whereas, the house spoken of in verses 5 and 6 is termed "the house of Jacob." In other words, one "house" belongs to God and the other belongs to Jacob. Astonishing, indeed! — See Isaiah 29:14; Acts 13:41.
Also did you notice too, one "house" possesses LIGHT and the other possesses material riches (verse 7)! Hmmmmm. Also, we notice a powerful, exodus in progress — yes, we see members of the `house of Jacob' FORSAKING `their people.' Do you see this? Why, yes, you can clearly see...yes, they are leaving them behind. And why? Again, let's notice verse 6:
"For you have forsaken your people, the house of Jacob....
For they have become:
(1) FULL OF WHAT IS FROM THE EAST,
(2) and THEY ARE PRACTICERS OF MAGIC LIKE THE PHILISTINES,
(3) and WITH THE CHILDREN OF FOREIGNERS THEY ABOUND."
Yes, they have good reason to leave them for they [the house of Jacob] God's People, have become polluted as an organization! They have become corrupted as a nation. Therefore, there is nothing left for them to do but leave the unfaithful `house of Jacob' behind! Remember: "She has become full of what is from the East" — east, as in Babylon, the ancient center of false worship in Isaiah's time! -- Please compare the expressions "...have become" in both verses and notice the striking similarities shown between both verses in Revelation 18:2 and Isaiah 2:6.
Nevertheless, someone will say at this point:
"Jehovah's Witnesses are a clean people and a clean organization. The organization does not tolerate any form of wrongdoing or wrong activity like the churches of Christendom. We disfellowship or expel any who unrepentantly persist in wrong conduct. We have no Babylonish (or Eastern) traits, traditions, or teachings among us such as Trinity, Hellfire, Christmas, etc. And we are certainly not like the pagan Philistines who were practicers of magic."
Well, this may seem so to most individuals looking at it from a human point of view. (Proverbs 14:12) However, let us look at the scripture again. It says:
"For they have BECOME . . ."
Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses "have become" this way. (Please compare the expressions "...have become" in their striking similarities between Isaiah 2:6 with Revelation 18:2.) Yes, they have gradually changed. They have gone through a spiritual metamorphosis. Yes, gradually, over a period of time, the organization known as Jehovah's witnesses, have yes, "become," this wicked...think about it.
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